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Old 02-07-2014, 05:38 AM
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I would think a lightly optioned XL 2wd "SFE" would have a chance at 30mpg. SFE could get by with some skinny tires, deeper air dam and some diffusers in front of the tires and whatever other tricks Ford has up their sleeve.

As far as a full load screw 4x4 with 3.73 gears I have no idea what the MPG would look like.

The 10 speed will help these smaller eco's stay out of the boost.

I am most interested to seeing what the tuner guys can do with a 2.7 eco :-)
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:24 PM
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Those are unrealistic numbers. 25 tops is all this thing will do real world.
Very realistic when u consider all mfgrs state mpg from their basic 2wd std cab config n v6 engine

Current Ford v6 is rated 23mpg
Plus 2-3 mpg for 700 lbs wt loss
Plus 1-2 mpg for aerodynamics grill shutters slicker body
Plus 2-3 mpg for small 2.7L EcoBoost that is 25% smaller vs current 3.7 has DI and more efficient engine controls n power...!

Should be EZ to get 28-30 mpg... BIG Game Changer going to really hurt GM... Ram too...!

Plus the 2.7 EB will be mpg competitive to new GM mid size Canyon n Colorado with tons more power n capability!!!
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[QUOTE=Rambo;5058672]From another blog:

Consider what the MPG could be for the 2015 F150:
Add 2 mpg for 700 lbs weight loss
Add 1 mpg for improved aerodynamics
Add 2 mpg for the brand new 2.7 V6 EcoBoost
You could improve from today's 23 mpg to 28 mpg
Add 2 mpg for 10-speed auto in another year
Then you get the magic 30 MPG

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I'm sorry but most of this is B.S. Rambo
-I will give you fuel savings on the weight loss
-Aerodynamics? I doubt its enough to get a full mpg. Still a truck.
-New ecoboost? The 3.5 eco doesn't do better than the 5.0, so why would the 2.7 eco do better than the 3.7 NA. think about it.
-10 speed will help a bit on acceleration but will do nothing after that if the final drive is the same. 6 speed, 10 speed, 20 speed, if final drive is the same it won't matter. What will is the parasitic loss of the transmission. Sorry but it will not beat Rams diesel in MPG no matter how hard you stretch. They will be close in miles/$ though if diesels stays at current price.
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Divide it up any way you want, it is absolutely possible and they are already saying "close to" 30 mpg.
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In the engine department, buyers of the 2015 F-150 have four options to choose from. New to the F-150 nameplate is a 2.7-liter EcoBoost V-6 engine. This engine will also come with a stop-start system to further save fuel and is said to be comparable with “mid-range V-8s” in the power stakes thanks to turbocharging and direct-injection technologies. Fuel economy for the highway is tipped to be as much as 30 mpg.
- MotorAuthority

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The Ford F-150 Ecoboost in this comparison test is the outgoing model. For the next model year, Ford has prepared an all-new truck that promises a dramatic 700-pound weight loss combined with a new 2.7 liter EcoBoost as well. According to sources from Ford, the new 2.7 liter will not only produce horsepower figures that are just marginally lower than the 3.5, but will also raise the F-150's fuel efficiency to 30 mpg.
- imotortimes

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No 2015 F-150 mpg numbers have been posted as of yet but considering the new engine and the lighter weight, Ford should be able to get near 30 mpg.
- Four Wheeler Mag

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But the new F-150 – which could crack the 30 mpg fuel-economy barrier
- Dallas Morning News

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One dangling teaser from the Detroit show was the fuel economy rating for the F-150, with speculation that it could approach the mystical 30 mpg mark on the highway.

That would steal some thunder from the Ram, which has been touting best-in-class fuel economy of 18 city, 28 highway, and 22 combined.
- Boston Globe

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With the weight reduction and subtle aerodynamic improvements, it could be enough to lift the F-150 comfortably above 20 mpg combined in the most efficient variants. In fact, Ford says it's hoping for highway economy of "close to" 30 mpg for the new 2.7--higher than any other full-size pickup to date.
-Christian Science Monitor

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A 30 m.p.g. truck?

Bold moves are rare in the pickup segment, which cultivates staunch and loyal buyers. Ford had plenty of critics in 2011 when it put a turbocharged V6 in its trucks, but today 40% of buyers pay extra for the smaller EcoBoost engine.

This move is even bigger. The aluminum body makes the F-150 700 pounds lighter, which enables use of a new 2.7-liter turbocharged EcoBoost V6 as one of four engine choices while dropping the 6.2-liter V8. Given the sheer volume of F-150 sales — Ford sold 763,402 in 2013 — a more fuel-efficient truck will allow Ford to make huge strides to meet more stringent fuel economy standards that are phased in between 2016 and 2025.

“They might have a 30 m.p.g. truck, which would be mind-blowing,” said Phil Martens, former Ford executive and CEO of aluminum supplier Novelis. “A lot of credit goes to (CEO) Alan Mulally for the strategic decision and vision.”
- Detroit Free Press

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Ford hasn't listed fuel economy numbers, but several media reports have said the new pickup could hit 30 mpg highway.
- Automotive News

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The 2.7-liter V-6 will be the fuel economy leader that Ford says will be aimed at people whose lifestyle demands a pickup but they don’t necessarily need to tow much. It is refreshing to hear a truck maker take this approach and admit that not every truck needs to pull tree stumps and tow a gazillion pounds. If anyone wants to see a fullsize pickup top 30 mpg on the highway, sacrifices must be made. Physics demands it. Also, full-size pickup owners should seriously evaluate how much capability they really need. If you’re towing more than 8000 pounds regularly, perhaps a heavy-duty pickup is something you should consider in the first place. This new F-150 is going to surprise many people when its mileage numbers are announced. If I were to place an over-under bet on a 30 mpg F-150 for the highway, I’d take the over.
- Motor Trend

etc. etc. etc. There are tons of reports saying 30 mpg or close to. It may not get 30, but it is going to be real close.
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Now - any bets on the towing capacity of a 2.7?
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Small displacement with boost. Wind, hills, etc are going to kill that motor's mpg
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Now - any bets on the towing capacity of a 2.7?
I'd bet in the same range as the 4.6L was.
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Small displacement with boost. Wind, hills, etc are going to kill that motor's mpg
Exactly. It was the same story for the 3.5L turbo. 23 mpg for 2wd under perfect conditions. Just take 10 minutes to browse the forums. The 4x4 real truck guys are happy to average 17 mpg.

As for Rambo, great job quoting all those wonderful sources!
Please save some Kool-aid for the rest of us. Funny that the all say 'could' or 'may' in front of them. The ONLY thing that will increase fuel economy by even 1 mpg is the 700 lb weight savings, and that will be for ALL the engines. I doubt ford was leaving 5 other mpg on the table because of things like "aerodynamics." Its fun to get excited about the new engines, but you are buying into the hype just a bit too much.
Then again, we are all excited for the 2021 f-150 trucks. 40 mpg are expected when Ford starts using "special alloy" driveshafts, "dynamic rubber" tires, and a host of other sleek features.
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Remember, it's ALL in the EPA testing methodology, NOT real world. It's a big game for the manufacturers to find all the loopholes they can until the EPA changes the procedure, then the game starts all over again.

The Canadians test differently and their numbers are even farther from reality than ours - even after converting US to Imperial gallons.

You better BELIEVE that Ford will use every trick they can find to get the 2.7 to return at LEAST 29 on the EPA test. Can you actually GET 29 DRIVING it on the road? Maybe, maybe not.
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Remember, it's ALL in the EPA testing methodology, NOT real world.

Can you actually GET 29 DRIVING it on the road? Maybe, maybe not.
Unfortunately true. I'm still skeptical it will get rated any higher than 25.
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Breaking 25 on the EPA test will be easy - don't forget it's going to have start/stop too. The truck they use for the actual test will probably have 3.15 gears and will be the lightest cab/bed combo.
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During a 300-mile stretch of highway — where we refueled just outside Vail, Colo., and headed east across the Rockies to Dillon, Colo., and then traveled back west to the Utah border — there were moments when the truck’s trip computer told us we were averaging over 25 mpg. We finished that segment averaging a manually calculated 23.2 mpg – the best fuel economy we can recall over such a long distance in a full-size gas pickup truck.

It’s important to point out that we didn’t “hypermile” either truck to boost efficiency. We drove them like we normally would, and for long stretches we kept the trucks at one speed using cruise control. We also filled up only with regular octane gasoline, which ranged from 85 RON (ugh) to 87 R

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/04...-6-part-2.html

THESE WERE FX SUPERCREWS WITH 3.55 GEARS.
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Elininating Gas-ohol and going back to straight run gasoline would yield better mileage than all of the wild claims that Ford's ad writers could ever dream up.
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Remember, it's ALL in the EPA testing methodology, NOT real world. It's a big game for the manufacturers to find all the loopholes they can until the EPA changes the procedure, then the game starts all over again.

The Canadians test differently and their numbers are even farther from reality than ours - even after converting US to Imperial gallons.

You better BELIEVE that Ford will use every trick they can find to get the 2.7 to return at LEAST 29 on the EPA test. Can you actually GET 29 DRIVING it on the road? Maybe, maybe not.
Butt... You forgot the real Hybrid drivetrain Ford IS bringing to market for trucks in a few years the should get high 30s near 40 mpg...!

If you can get 28 mpg with the 2.7 for 95% of ur driving n have the Capability to tow up to 8000 lbs the rest of the time and Realize ur mpg will be lower.., so what!!!!!

It's still cheaper than $4500 premium for Italian EcoDiesel with fuel that cost 20% more All the time!!!

Ford has a Serious Game Changer with this "High Output" 2.7 made of CGI block for durability n capability that is tuned for efficiency...!
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