4wheel drive, front end not engaging (?)
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4wheel drive, front end not engaging (?)
Hello
I've read a few post on here about this but I am still stumped. If anyone has anymore input on what to check or do, would be awesome!
First off we have a 2000 Ford f150 v6 manual transmission. I believe its called MOSF (manual shift into 4 wheel).
The 4 wheel drive stopped working in a blizzard the other day on my hubby. He came to a stop and when forward, and bam NO 4 wheel drive. !
No clunking, grinding.. ect..
The front end does not go into or lock into 4 wheel drive.
The lights on the dash all work correctly, when put into 4 high and 4 low.
Everything for 4 wheel works until it get to the front differential.
We have checked the actuator (the round black thing) and that is turning which i believe tells the truck to go in and out of 4 wheel drive.
We took the cover off the front differential and everything looks great inside. No shaving ect...
I moved that little rod peice that goes into the differentail.. It is also what the actuator is connected to. It will only move 1/4 inch but it is moving easily.
Another insite, we had the front end off the ground, the truck locked into 4 wheel drive and we could turn the drive shaft (the one connected to the front differential) freely without moving the tires. *I don't know if your suppose to be able to do that or not
Anything will help at this point.. Thanks Angel
I've read a few post on here about this but I am still stumped. If anyone has anymore input on what to check or do, would be awesome!
First off we have a 2000 Ford f150 v6 manual transmission. I believe its called MOSF (manual shift into 4 wheel).
The 4 wheel drive stopped working in a blizzard the other day on my hubby. He came to a stop and when forward, and bam NO 4 wheel drive. !
No clunking, grinding.. ect..
The front end does not go into or lock into 4 wheel drive.
The lights on the dash all work correctly, when put into 4 high and 4 low.
Everything for 4 wheel works until it get to the front differential.
We have checked the actuator (the round black thing) and that is turning which i believe tells the truck to go in and out of 4 wheel drive.
We took the cover off the front differential and everything looks great inside. No shaving ect...
I moved that little rod peice that goes into the differentail.. It is also what the actuator is connected to. It will only move 1/4 inch but it is moving easily.
Another insite, we had the front end off the ground, the truck locked into 4 wheel drive and we could turn the drive shaft (the one connected to the front differential) freely without moving the tires. *I don't know if your suppose to be able to do that or not
Anything will help at this point.. Thanks Angel
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Hello
Another insite, we had the front end off the ground, the truck locked into 4 wheel drive and we could turn the drive shaft (the one connected to the front differential) freely without moving the tires. *I don't know if your suppose to be able to do that or not
Anything will help at this point.. Thanks Angel
Another insite, we had the front end off the ground, the truck locked into 4 wheel drive and we could turn the drive shaft (the one connected to the front differential) freely without moving the tires. *I don't know if your suppose to be able to do that or not
Anything will help at this point.. Thanks Angel
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We had the cover off and I think* our problem is on the left side of transfercase. I added some pictures at the link below, That black round thing which I think is the actuator is working when put into 2 to 4 wheel drive. That bar that its connected to which goes into the left side of transfercase, moves approximetly 1/4 of an inch, and it moves freely.
We think the problem is whatever is in the box part-- In the picture on the left side, above the actuator.
-where is the shift linkage and what does that look like?
- where is the shift fork located?
-How do we tear into this? Should we break it apart at the bolts right next to the transfer case or the sections after?
I added some pictures of what we have so far and maybe that will help when trying to explain to me!
http://www2.snapfish.com/snapfish/th...NAME=snapfish/
(let me know, if that does not work)
Thank you for the help, it really does help tremendously!
SORRY for my poor references to parts- I am searching everything to try and understand!
Angel
We think the problem is whatever is in the box part-- In the picture on the left side, above the actuator.
-where is the shift linkage and what does that look like?
- where is the shift fork located?
-How do we tear into this? Should we break it apart at the bolts right next to the transfer case or the sections after?
I added some pictures of what we have so far and maybe that will help when trying to explain to me!
http://www2.snapfish.com/snapfish/th...NAME=snapfish/
(let me know, if that does not work)
Thank you for the help, it really does help tremendously!
SORRY for my poor references to parts- I am searching everything to try and understand!
Angel
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Your link is to pictures of the front axle. The cover your removed is the front differential cover. The round black thing that pushed a rod in and out is the front axle actuator motor. Below is a picture of the front axle in an exploded view.
Below is a picture of the front differential.
In the top picture #10 pushes #25 and that ( look at bottom Picture ) pushes #13 and that slides #14 over #15 and (top picture) #11 to lock them together.
The transfer case is behind the transmission. Look at the top picture. #1 and #11 connect to the front halfshafts which go to the wheels. #100 is what the front drive shaft connects to. The front drive shaft connects the differential to the transfer case.
So, when you turned the front driveshaft with the front in the air and locked in 4x4, what did you turn? #1, #11 or #100?
Below is a picture of the front differential.
In the top picture #10 pushes #25 and that ( look at bottom Picture ) pushes #13 and that slides #14 over #15 and (top picture) #11 to lock them together.
The transfer case is behind the transmission. Look at the top picture. #1 and #11 connect to the front halfshafts which go to the wheels. #100 is what the front drive shaft connects to. The front drive shaft connects the differential to the transfer case.
So, when you turned the front driveshaft with the front in the air and locked in 4x4, what did you turn? #1, #11 or #100?
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When you turn the front driveshaft, #100, it should turn at the very least 1 of the wheels. It will take 3½ turns to turn the wheels 1 turn so it may look like the wheels are not turning. To eliminate the transfer case as a problem you need to lift and support only the front wheels off the ground. With the transmission in P (automatic) or N( manual transmission) key on shift into 4Hi. Try to turn the front drive shaft. It should not turn because it is being blocked by the fact that the rear wheels cannot turn. If it doesn't turn the transfercase is working properly.
BTW I get the pics from a shop manual. Thanks to jbrew for showing me a quick way to post them.
BTW I get the pics from a shop manual. Thanks to jbrew for showing me a quick way to post them.
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Tore into the front passenger side of differntial !!
I think its the shift fork, number 13 on bottom diagram.
The shift fork looked good, the plastic peices that are on the tip of it (number 13), were broken in half on the inside though.
Called around numerous places and everyone wanted to sell the kit with all the gears for $270, but we finally found a local guy that ordered in just the clips for $3.00!
We are hoping after we get it all back together that this was the problem!
I want to say THANK YOU JMC for putting the diagram up! Helped A LOT ... Thanks JBREW for showing him how to put them up!
I think its the shift fork, number 13 on bottom diagram.
The shift fork looked good, the plastic peices that are on the tip of it (number 13), were broken in half on the inside though.
Called around numerous places and everyone wanted to sell the kit with all the gears for $270, but we finally found a local guy that ordered in just the clips for $3.00!
We are hoping after we get it all back together that this was the problem!
I want to say THANK YOU JMC for putting the diagram up! Helped A LOT ... Thanks JBREW for showing him how to put them up!
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Thank you!
So the guy that was going to get us the fork sleeves i belive they are called, those plastic peices- can not get them!
So anyone out there maybe have a broken fork with those sleeves that are still good, and would want to sell them??
Otherwise off to the dealer to buy the whole fork kit!
So the guy that was going to get us the fork sleeves i belive they are called, those plastic peices- can not get them!
So anyone out there maybe have a broken fork with those sleeves that are still good, and would want to sell them??
Otherwise off to the dealer to buy the whole fork kit!