lean code p0171 and p0174
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lean code p0171 and p0174
I'm reading lean codes, will the brake booster cause this codes to pop up__ i get p0171 and po174. I have checked all the vaccum lines and the intake it seem ok. I'm reading good signal from the mass flow sensor according to haynes book
When i'm monitoring the O2 sensors bank 1 and bank 2 the oscillating waveform at idle makes voltage transitions from near minimum (0.1 v) to near maximum (0.80v) and that's good reading, but when I press the brakes than the signal drop flat 0 volts and the short term fuel trim goes high to +25 %.
Is this normal or it's a problems with the booster?
any advice would help
Thanks
When i'm monitoring the O2 sensors bank 1 and bank 2 the oscillating waveform at idle makes voltage transitions from near minimum (0.1 v) to near maximum (0.80v) and that's good reading, but when I press the brakes than the signal drop flat 0 volts and the short term fuel trim goes high to +25 %.
Is this normal or it's a problems with the booster?
any advice would help
Thanks
Last edited by f150_truck; 11-28-2010 at 01:42 AM.
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Well, I am not that familiar with the 4.2s but I would assume there would have to be some kinda problem with the EGR controller or DPFE. Assuming that there are no leaks then you have to be having a problem with something controlling fuel/air ratio. How does your truck run? Is there any black smoke or anything?
You can check for EGR valve failure by applying vacuum to the EGR valve while idling. If the engines RPM's lower then the valve is working properly. If it does not cause any change in engine RPM's then there is either a clog in the EGR ports or a faulty EGR valve.
You can check for EGR valve failure by applying vacuum to the EGR valve while idling. If the engines RPM's lower then the valve is working properly. If it does not cause any change in engine RPM's then there is either a clog in the EGR ports or a faulty EGR valve.
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The DPFE should constantly change in voltage while you are driving. The voltage should increase as you are driving because of the increase in exhaust pressure going through the EGR system. If the voltage does not change then you need to check to see if the DPFE is at fault. Your truck uses EGR in the overall fuel/air ration and if your DPFE doesnt properly measure the amount of air going through then your computer will have a incorrect reading. Which will automatically cause a faulty ratio. My trucks DPFE has gone out before and caused lean codes for me.. I am not for certain that this is your trucks issue though. Its hard to diagnose from a distance.
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Your miss interpeting the codes.
The codes are telling you the fuel tables in the software are shifted to the lean side trying to "Counter" a Rich condition on the intake side.
EGR system faults usually do not cause this. If there was an EGR fault, it would be reported as a 4xx series code.
There is excess fuel getting into the motor the OX sensors are detecting.
Look for leaking injector, fuel regulator, low fuel pressure etc.
An air leak can also result in a lean condition that the OX sensors detect and go right back and richen up the fuel somewhat like tail chasing.
Dip stick not seated/tube rusted off etc. can also cause upset.
Vapor recovery system also has an effect on fuel.
Good luck.
The codes are telling you the fuel tables in the software are shifted to the lean side trying to "Counter" a Rich condition on the intake side.
EGR system faults usually do not cause this. If there was an EGR fault, it would be reported as a 4xx series code.
There is excess fuel getting into the motor the OX sensors are detecting.
Look for leaking injector, fuel regulator, low fuel pressure etc.
An air leak can also result in a lean condition that the OX sensors detect and go right back and richen up the fuel somewhat like tail chasing.
Dip stick not seated/tube rusted off etc. can also cause upset.
Vapor recovery system also has an effect on fuel.
Good luck.
Last edited by Bluegrass; 11-28-2010 at 02:26 AM.
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Because corrosion inside of the sensor decreases its sensitivity to EGR flow, therefore causing it to "under-report" the flow. Your PCM responds by increasing the EGR flow, which can possibly keep the EGR valve open for a longer period of time which creates a lean condition in the engine. Its for this reason that it may set a P0401(EGR flow code), or it may not set a "flow" code but rather a P0171 and/or a P0174 instead.
Last edited by b2therad; 11-28-2010 at 02:30 AM.
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After checking all the sensors and vacuum hoses, i did not found the problem. I replaced the Isolator bolts, plenum gasket and cleaned the intake manifold ports. Finally after checking the long term fuel trim with the scanner and noticed 15% drop with no code.
Last edited by f150_truck; 01-01-2015 at 04:12 PM. Reason: update
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After checking all the sensors and vacuum hoses, i did not found the problem. I decided to replaced the Isolator bolts and the plenum gaskets. Finally after checking the long term fuel trim with the scanner and noticed 15% drop with no code. Thank to every one for the guidance to pinpoint this problem that was driving me crazy.
What did you do after discovering the 15% drop? How is that resolved? I am having similar problems, same codes, and thinking of what do do next.